Homicidal Monkey Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 @Flash/HTML5 posters: GET OUT OF MY FUCKIN THREAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 Now I've posted, I'm now own a part of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 @unknown:> With Websockets and Canvas a full fast port of the origins client is completely possible. In fact Consty was working on an HTML 5 version of Mirage months ago before websockets even existed.Before realising it was horrible and moving back to Flash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godlord Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 @unknown:> @Zþmbie:> > > @Soul:> > > > > @unknown:> > > > > > > Nice.. This makes me want an _HTML 5_ version of Origins now.> > > > > > This made me laugh so hard.> > > > Same.> > Haven't you heard of Web Sockets, the Canvas element or WebGL? It's possible, and would actually be really cool+fast with support easily added in for mobile platforms.> > HTML 5 is the future of rich web content.. It's definitely superior to using Flash or Java applets.Mobile platforms can barely handle images for several obvious reasons and then you think they will support HTML 5, Canvas and WebGL? There is a reason why all major browsers run like shit, and HTML 5 will only make that experience even worse, just like anything else people keep adding. HTTP is fundamentally flawed and the only way to fix that is by redesigning it from the start, not by adding more nonsense to it. That's what Microsoft has tried with many of their applications and other companies, including consortia, seem to take the same approach to deal with the problem.@üÑÂøчġġÑâ€Ã‘‚:> People who have flash on their PC: 95%.People who have a proper version of Adobe Flash on their computer: less than 50% (Adobe Flash is known to cause havoc like kernel panics).@unknown:> The _best_ possible web client IMO is HTML5 with a Flash version (incase of failure).. HTML5 is being widely adopted and will work on more devices in the future, and Flash has the largest market share right now.The best possible client at the moment is one that is written in a low-level programming language and that doesn't abuse browser technologies. Browsers are made to browse web documents, since that's what HTML is made for. I don't care who W3C thinks they are, they have gone way to far outside their boundaries and should be replaced by a consortium that isn't brain dead.It doesn't really amaze me how software that lacks all kinds of optimisation, proper design, etc. has the largest market share. That phenomena has been known for about two decades now.If anything is superior here, it's the initial HTTP and HTML "standard". At least they don't enforce scientists to research quantum processors.Regards, Stephan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 @Robin:> @unknown:> > > With Websockets and Canvas a full fast port of the origins client is completely possible. In fact Consty was working on an HTML 5 version of Mirage months ago before websockets even existed.> > Before realising it was horrible and moving back to Flash.He stopped because the websocket specification didn't exist and he was forced to use a flash hack for internet connectivity.If you really believe Flash will _always_ be better than HTML5,check out: http://html5games.com/Many of the HTML5 games on that site are optimized to run on a mobile client.Also look at Google's HTML5 port of Quakehttp://code.google.com/p/quake2-gwt-port/There are some cool HTML5 projects out there already, and it would be completely possible to port an Origins client to HTML5 that's all I'm saying… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homicidal Monkey Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 @unknown:> @Robin:> > > @unknown:> > > > > With Websockets and Canvas a full fast port of the origins client is completely possible. In fact Consty was working on an HTML 5 version of Mirage months ago before websockets even existed.> > > > Before realising it was horrible and moving back to Flash.> > He stopped because the websocket specification didn't exist and he was forced to use a flash hack for internet connectivity.> > If you really believe Flash will _always_ be better than HTML5,> check out: http://html5games.com/> Many of the HTML5 games on that site are optimized to run on a mobile client.> Also look at Google's HTML5 port of Quake> http://code.google.com/p/quake2-gwt-port/> > There are some cool HTML5 projects out there already, and it would be completely possible to port an Origins client to HTML5 that's all I'm saying…>implying Origins is optimized enough in its current state to work in a fully interpreted language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 @Zetta:> >implying Origins is optimizedFix'd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homicidal Monkey Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 @Robin:> @Zetta:> > > >implying Origins is optimized> > Fix'd.oh you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmah Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I"m bored at work, Zetta, please update this so I can be non bored. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 @Timmah:> I"m bored at work, Zetta, please update this so I can be non bored. xDMaybe you should actually do some work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmah Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 @Robin:> @Timmah:> > > I"m bored at work, Zetta, please update this so I can be non bored. xD> > Maybe you should actually do some work.I work in an IT department and nobody has come in today with a computer problem so its all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homicidal Monkey Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 @Timmah:> I work in an IT department and nobody has come in today with a computer problem so its all good.IT does not qualify as work, all you do is watch status bars all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 @Zetta:> IT does not qualify as work, all you do is watch status bars all dayAll I do is watch people take me from behind all night. Does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homicidal Monkey Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 @Robin:> All I do is watch people take me from behind all night. Does that count?let me guess, Emily's involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 @Zetta:> let me guess, Emily's involved?![](http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e112/Kite_Minase/Reaction/1280170419084-1.jpg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawQuart Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I was going to post something really dirty, but I decided not to ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 GTFOPinb4 lockFlash wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruins of Hell Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 This is the same shit we went through with more than three other threads:1\. Guy posts about possibility, not taking into account certain factors or overestimating his/her ability. (10 minutes)2\. People explain why possibility is wrong. (half a day)3\. Guy argues posting some examples. (1 day)4\. We continue to argue. (3 days)5\. Contrary people finally win, thread dies down. (5 days)6\. People are left angry at each other, leading to a small series of battles. (~25 days)7\. Guy gets another "great" idea. (~2 months)8\. Go back to step 1.Now, this thread discussion from now on is to be the Web Eclipse alone, I don't care whose right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 @Soul:> This is the same shit we went through with more than three other threads:> > 1\. Guy posts about possibility, not taking into account certain factors or overestimating his/her ability. (10 minutes)> 2\. People explain why possibility is wrong. (half a day)> 3\. Guy argues posting some examples. (1 day)> 4\. We continue to argue. (3 days)> 5\. Contrary people finally win, thread dies down. (5 days)> 6\. People are left angry at each other, leading to a small series of battles. (~25 days)> 7\. Guy gets another "great" idea. (~2 months)> 8\. Go back to step 1.> > Now, this thread discussion from now on is to be the Web Eclipse alone, I don't care whose right.Soul's progression of the argument:* No understanding of HTML5, flame OP for thinking he can make a game in HTML5* OP replies, it's logical. Google HTML5* Realize many people **are already** making games with HTML5* Continue to argue to support his original flameI'll post a tile engine in HTML5 that works _exactly_ like the original Mirage tonight just for you Soul.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homicidal Monkey Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 unknown, you are not OP. so please, gtfo my topic. Anyone posting about flash/html5 beyond this post gets a temp ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 OP of the html5 argument lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 SILVERLIGHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ispan Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 @üÑÂøчġġÑâ€Ã‘‚:> SILVERLIGHT!Shut the fuck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homicidal Monkey Posted December 22, 2010 Author Share Posted December 22, 2010 @unknown:> OP of the html5 argument lol.. Your java engine is nice I'm not bashing it at all. I wish I would have thought of it.>misses the point that the term "OP" refers to the originator of the thread@üÑÂøчġġÑâ€Ã‘‚:> SILVERLIGHT!![](http://www.freemmorpgmaker.com/files/imagehost/pics/cc9496e5574aecb7ba1ae36442fc838d.png) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultrasnofire Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 is there a way to do this with ES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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