Helladen Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 The point we make tutorials is to teach people how to program themselves so they will contribute. If we make them automated like this, no one will read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 @Helladen:> -snip-Talk about burning your own bloody ladders. You worked your way up by completely relying on other people. Now you're saying you refuse to do the same thing for other people? Hypocrisy.Get your head out of your arse. It's not like you've actually given anything to this community in the first place. We're hardly going to lose sleep just because you're going to keep acting the exact same way as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxxknight Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 this looks awesome although i won' be needing it since i hired a programmer but this will help non-coders like myself :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helladen Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I was just giving my opinion. It's good to have it, wasn't saying not to do it because I refuse to use it. I just don't believe in it that's all.Also I have given a bit to this community, sure I don't write guides and still not very experienced at Visual Basic 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruins of Hell Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 @Helladen:> I was just giving my opinion. It's good to have it, wasn't saying not to do it because I refuse to use it. I just don't believe in it that's all.No, a flawed opinion is none at all. Hell, let's just not build anymore computers, because otherwise people will become too dependent on us making them. Let's just give them the parts! No.This is great for hot-fixes, programming-illiterate people, and people who don't speak English at _all_. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helladen Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 There is no such thing as a flawed opinion. An opinion is whatever an individual thinks whether you believe their ideas or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruins of Hell Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 @Helladen:> There is no such thing as a flawed opinion. An opinion is whatever an individual thinks whether you believe their ideas or not.You're right, an opinion can't be flawed. The truth is I'm going to completely discard your opinion because it's just that, an opinion. Go get some facts.On a more optimistic note, I've updated the online toolkit to be (somewhat) less confounded. It now actually allows you to build on the code rather than just having it one line at a time. [Lightning's spell fix can be found on the repo, personally approved and compiled.](http://automata.freemmorpgmaker.com/repo/exe/lightning-spell-fix.exe) I encourage you to port code over now, it should be a somewhat easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 @Helladen:> There is no such thing as a flawed opinion. An opinion is whatever an individual thinks whether you believe their ideas or not.Yes there is. It was Adolf's opinion that there was a supreme race and that all Jews should be killed. That's a flawed opinion because it's stupid. Same thing applies to your opinion.Just because you're making something more accessible doesn't mean you're dumbing it down. Hell, if this works then I'll stop getting the _thousands_ of PMs I get asking how to add in certain systems or complaining that they didn't add a tutorial in properly.Being an elitist over the matter is just stupid, especially as you're the one who's spent the last couple years of his life relying on _my_ source code, _my_ documentation and _my_ help. Would you rather I just stop doing all these things for people because it's "making people entitled?"Get your head out of your arse, Seth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpunerd96 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 This forum is so fun to read! "Touch of Death Forums, where game developers are compared to Adolf Hitler." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helladen Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Lol who told you my name? ;3But I don't know, it's a good idea. I wasn't saying it was bad or anything, I just don't agree with it. Sometimes making things too easy can make people rely too much on a system. When it's not there then people will complain and so on. But my opinion doesn't mean anything. I was just sharing my beliefs.Just because most people like something and support it doesn't mean I have to. My opinion is my own, something can seem flawed to you but your perspective could be flawed all together. So there is no true flaw interpretation of an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpunerd96 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I'm with you, man. Your opinion isn't flawed. I don't agree with it, but I understand where it's coming from and I think it will, to a certain extent, make the community more dependent on good programmers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruins of Hell Posted June 1, 2011 Author Share Posted June 1, 2011 @cpunerd96:> I'm with you, man. Your opinion isn't flawed. I don't agree with it, but I understand where it's coming from and I think it will, to a certain extent, make the community more dependent on good programmers.Nice job on, although it may be seen differently elsewhere, the use of weasel words, for the most part, in places where, although it can be debated, should not have been used, unless, of course, the author wanted not to start a fight, in which case, it would be OK, so long as those words did not provoke a fight, even though this is usually not the case.**tl;dr**: pick a side, don't use too many contradicting clauses.@Helladen:> -blasphemy-Then stop spamming up this topic. If you're not going to use it, good for you. If somebody who actually has something _worth_ releasing requested something, I would look into it, especially if they provided details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varinyc Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 People willing to learn are going to learn, regardless of this utilities existence.People unwilling to learn are not going to learn, regardless of this utilities existence.People are neither going to get better OR worse at programming by using this utility (given they have the correct mindset)It's a glorified Copy-pasta to save time x_x, that's pretty much all there is to it. lolThere really isn't much benefit to doing it yourself*, especially since it's said to log changes. Copy-pasta-ing never just injected new knowledge into anyone's mind x_x* (this is excluding bugs in the utility, which would then bewilder people when it DIDN'T work.)Awesome work Soul =D. I'll be using this here shortly with my 2 new systems ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpunerd96 Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 @Soul:> Nice job on, although it may be seen differently elsewhere, the use of weasel words, for the most part, in places where, although it can be debated, should not have been used, unless, of course, the author wanted not to start a fight, in which case, it would be OK, so long as those words did not provoke a fight, even though this is usually not the case.Very funny… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EclipseCommunity Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 A problem with this, is that if one feature changes some source already changed from another feature, it will automatically over-write that code. That's the beauty of writing things by hand, so you can check these problems and adjust the code accordingly without going back trying to find what it changed to cause problems with another feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruins of Hell Posted June 3, 2011 Author Share Posted June 3, 2011 @Xlithan:> A problem with this, is that if one feature changes some source already changed from another feature, it will automatically over-write that code. That's the beauty of writing things by hand, so you can check these problems and adjust the code accordingly without going back trying to find what it changed to cause problems with another feature.Err… no. This program will never overwrite nor remove _modified_ code. It may remove a default code that is needed by another feature, which is the worst case scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 @Xlithan:> A problem with this, is that if one feature changes some source already changed from another feature, it will automatically over-write that code. That's the beauty of writing things by hand, so you can check these problems and adjust the code accordingly without going back trying to find what it changed to cause problems with another feature.Did you bother reading how it works? No. No you did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryochi Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 so basically this engine makes source programming faster instead of normal source programming?or do you have to convert all of the normal source programming to autoit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruins of Hell Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share Posted June 4, 2011 @Ryochi:> so basically this engine makes source programming faster instead of normal source programming?or do you have to convert all of the normal source programming to autoit?wat. This isn't an engine. It does not make source programming faster. Anybody who creates a source edit can easily share it by using this code, which automates the process of adding it in to Eclipse Origins' source. Nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryochi Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 ok thanks soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpan40 Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 This is no fun, but thats just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruins of Hell Posted June 5, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 @janpan40:> This is no fun, but thats just my opinion.It's not meant to be fun. -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetasis Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 This seems pretty useful and simple. Haven't checked yet but are there any other tutorials add yet besides Lightnings spell fix? Thanks for releasing Soul. I'm looking forward to seeing how far this thing goes.EDIT: Just checked and and yeah thats the only one so far. Anyways, can't wait to see more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruins of Hell Posted June 6, 2011 Author Share Posted June 6, 2011 @Zetasis:> This seems pretty useful and simple. Haven't checked yet but are there any other tutorials add yet besides Lightnings spell fix? Thanks for releasing Soul. I'm looking forward to seeing how far this thing goes.> > EDIT: Just checked and and yeah thats the only one so far. Anyways, can't wait to see more.I ported over Robin's Hotbar fix as well, but the real problem with this is that not enough people are using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetasis Posted June 6, 2011 Share Posted June 6, 2011 This should be added to the news headings. People probably haven't seen it yet. Hell, I'm always lurking around the site and I just noticed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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