EE3.0 Graphics, and Script Transfer!

[Chakkra]

I have a question that might be a popular one:

**If I have 96x96 sprites (reiners for example) will I be able to put them in a sprite sheet and have it not cut off? If so, How?**

I suck at wording questions, but i think you get my drift.

[Irhymer]

Yeah 96 by 96 wouldnt work at all. It has to be a power of 2\.
Like 64 or 128

And in 3.0, the sprite sheets a seperate. So you just put your sheet in a folder called sprites.  ;)

[Chakkra]

Then that leads me to my next question:

**Will you still be able to use 32x64? or does it have to be 32x32, 64x64, etc?**

[Irhymer]

Yeah. You can use 32X64, it doesnt have to be square. :azn:

PS: ill try to add all of the Q&A when i get some time.. Im really busy lately ;)

[Chakkra]

also,
**I want to clarify the "Nx8" thing. So is it possible to have 8-frame walking (8x8)? (The frames have to be powers of 2, right?)**

–-and---

**Can you have 8-frame walking but only 4-frame attacking?**

Sorry for all the really nooby questions xD I bet they've been answered before, but I jjust want to clarify 100%

[Irhymer]

The frames dont have to be powers of two. Just the sheet. So yes you can have a 8X8 frame.

And for the attacking just leave the extra spaces blank
;)

[Chakkra]

thanks man ^.^

Lol, I remember back when I was helping you with eclipse. Now the tables have turned :P

[Irhymer]

Lol. Np
yeah, I wanted to give back to the community that helped me so much  :azn:

[Chakkra]

oh, and i vote for sticky ;)

[Homicidal Monkey]

@Irhymer:

> The frames dont have to be powers of two. Just the sheet. So yes you can have a 8X8 frame.
>
> And for the attacking just leave the extra spaces blank
> ;)

lol, the sprites are power of 2 if the sheet is power of 2
minimum sprite sheet size is 8 pixels down (1/8 = 0, 2/8 = 0, 4/8 = 0)
and 8/8 = 1

you can use math to prove that the sprite dimensions are always power of 2

let the function, xrt(n) return the least root of that function

first find the lowest value, p = 8
xrt(p) = 2
xrt(8) = 2
3rt(8) = 2

let m be a multiple of p, assume that xrt(m) = 2.
now find the next value, 2m since the next valid size is 2x the last

xrt(2m)
xrt(2) * xrt(m) = 2

since the only value that x can be in xrt(n) = 1 where x is an integer > 0 while returning an integer,

xrt(m) = 2

since xrt(m) = 2, all valid values for m are power of 2.
And since all values of m are factors of p, the sprite size will always be a power of 2 while the sprite sheet is a power of 2.

[Chakkra]

@Zetta:

> lol, the sprites are power of 2 if the sheet is power of 2
> minimum sprite sheet size is 8 pixels down (1/8 = 0, 2/8 = 0, 4/8 = 0)
> and 8/8 = 1
>
> you can use math to prove that the sprite dimensions are always power of 2
>
> let the function, xrt(n) return the least root of that function
>
> first find the lowest value, p = 8
> xrt(p) = 2
> xrt(8) = 2
> 3rt(8) = 2
>
> let m be a multiple of p, assume that xrt(m) = 2.
> now find the next value, 2m since the next valid size is 2x the last
>
> xrt(2m)
> xrt(2) * xrt(m) = 2
>
> since the only value that x can be in xrt(n) = 1 where x is an integer > 0 while returning an integer,
>
> xrt(m) = 2
>
> since xrt(m) = 2, all valid values for m are power of 2.
> And since all values of m are factors of p, the sprite size will always be a power of 2 while the sprite sheet is a power of 2.

Now in human please? ^.^

[Admiral Refuge]

@[SB:

> Chakkra link=topic=45951.msg485076#msg485076 date=1246486960]
> Now in human please? ^.^

Seems pretty straight-forward in my opinion.
n and x is the target number, and the number-rooted, respectively.
Simple algebra.

[Irhymer]

Hm… So about the spell stuff I asked earlier?  :P

[Chakkra]

@Admiral:

> Seems pretty straight-forward in my opinion.
> n and x is the target number, and the number-rooted, respectively.
> Simple algebra.

well i suppose you should send a letter to my highschool, cuz i'm a sophomore almost a junior and i havent learned any of that. especially the wording…

[Irhymer]

Hey im a sophomore! lol

Lol, i kind of understand it but it sounds more like programming then algebra except for the 8X8 stuff  :P

[Admiral Refuge]

Okay….
rt(p) = root of p.
2rt(p) = square root of p.
3rt(p) = cubed root of p.

If something (let's call it "n") is the power of 2, that means that you can achieve "n" by multiplying two raised to a certain power.
HM used 8
3rt(8) = the cube root of 8
2*2*2 = 8
2^3 = 8

first find the lowest value, p = 8
xrt(p) = 2
xrt(8) = 2
3rt(8) = 2

In the above, you're solving for the letter "x", and you already know what "p" is, it's 8.

When he says:
let m be a multiple of p, assume that xrt(m) = 2.
He means, that any number's root of m, = 2

[Irhymer]

ok cool.  :azn:

[Homicidal Monkey]

@Irhymer:

> Hey im a sophomore! lol
>
> Lol, i kind of understand it but it sounds more like programming then algebra except for the 8X8 stuff  :P

its an algebraic proof

[Irhymer]

k, Why im up this late, ill never know.. What ill do for eclipse.  :P
(12:51am)

[Antidote]

A question about the custom character creation screen, how will that be formatted?  Right now, it's set up that the different styles are in the long row, but this new format is set up so that it's Nx8.

Now, if there are separate files for sprites and items, how will this work?  Each individual sprite and item is in a different file, but the custom sprite creation thing has all the items in one file.  Will the custom character creation thing read from different files, or what?

I hope I'm being clear….if not, let me know and I'll see if I can clarify.

[Solstice]

I'm not good at maths, what does power mean? lmao.

So clueless over here. O.o if someone could fill me in, I'd appreciate it.

[Antidote]

It's math.  2 (to the power of) x = 2 times itself "x" times.

[xelander]

So, simply, the wide-ness has to be half of the height?
So, 10x20 would work?

[Antidote]

No.  Please read my previous post.  You can't actually use either of those numbers, because they don't go into 2.  2 times itself 3 times is 8, and 2 times itself 4 times is 16, then 32, 64, 128, etc.  You can only use those numbers.

But don't worry, just go for a relatively large number, and then don't worry about the extra "space" that's there, as it won't be used anyways.

[Homicidal Monkey]

@Antidote:

> No.  Please read my previous post.  You can't actually use either of those numbers, because they don't go into 2.  2 times itself 3 times is 8, and 2 times itself 4 times is 16, then 32, 64, 128, etc.  You can only use those numbers.
>
> But don't worry, just go for a relatively large number, and then don't worry about the extra "space" that's there, as it won't be used anyways.

No, thats incorrect. The dimensions you can u
se have to be a power of 2 such as:
01 = 2^0
02 = 2^1
04 = 2^2
08 = 2^3
16 = 2^4
32 = 2^5
64 = 2^6
and so on.