Jungletoe's Electronic Music

[SawQuart]

>! @Thorn:
>! > I think the big thing would be to A: Have more going on at once, and B: have it vary more.
>
> You're off to a good start, I think, but at this point it's still not something I'd go and pirate. Bells? Have fun. Guitar? Whatever floats your boat. Try doing them both at the same time, at least.
>
> Also, techno can get boring if the song sounds mostly the same start to finish. Vary the instruments, heck, vary the tempo. I've heard great use of the tempo increasing speed by about half over 5-10 seconds, really throws the listener before they settle in to a faster groove.
>
> An example of the stuff I'd be aiming at, were I making techno: The works of Infected Mushroom!
>
> >! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQs_dv4o3Is&feature=related
>
> They vary the tone plenty, and do lots of interesting stuff. One thing you could even do (Depending on what software you're using) is sample some voice clips in. Just stuff out of old or obscure movies works fine, huck in a line or two and you can imply volumes.
> Think about it. Going along with a dark tone, builds up, then busts in the quote from Behind Enemy Lines "Evade and survive, do whatever it takes."
>
> Doesn't SAY what's going on, but implies all sorts of things.
>! Okay… I think I get what your saying...

>! @Braiton:
>! > Not to be an ass but it sounds awfully boring.
> Not to mention Sytrus sucks donkey balls and that's not a guitar. Oh and that kick sucks too. Get better Vsts.
> Say, Techno music is suppoused to pump the Shit out of you.
> Your creation sounds more like a 30 second clip being looped for 3 minutes, without generating any intresting at all in the Listener.
>
> Keep that in mind and make good music.
>! Ok, thanks. Im trying to add more rythems and shit now.

Is this better now?
http://soundcloud.com/jungletoe/intronative

I really love the last rhythm, and I know the song may sound repetitive.

Advice?

[Tompwnage]

@Jungletoeâ„¢:

> Is this better now?
> http://soundcloud.com/jungletoe/intronative
>
> I really love the last rhythm, and I know the song may sound repetitive.
>
> Advice?

Again, your missing the part were things speed up. It just goes the same beat then lowers and it goes back to the same beat. There needs to be a climax.

[Chakkra]

Actually, that's a little better.. But the tune needs to vary a little more…

Also, as others have said, try changing the tempo up a bit at different parts.

It also sounds looped... Which is never good.

And over usage of the same instrument (The saw) makes it sound boring and generic.

[SawQuart]

@-Vegeta-:

> Actually, that's a little better.. But the tune needs to vary a little more…
>
> Also, as others have said, try changing the tempo up a bit at different parts.
>
> It also sounds looped... Which is never good.
>
> And over usage of the same instrument (The saw) makes it sound boring and generic.

Thank you, this is what I was asking for  ;)

[Murdoc]

@-Vegeta-:

> Actually, that's a little better.. But the tune needs to vary a little more…
>
> Also, as others have said, try changing the tempo up a bit at different parts.
>
> It also sounds looped... Which is never good.
>
> And over usage of the same instrument (The saw) makes it sound boring and generic.

most electronic music, including house, techno, trance, electro, progressive, ambient etc ALL use loops, or samples lol.

[Jeff]

Wow, sounds a lot better.  But like everyone is saying, change the tempo up.  Also try to layer your sounds just a little bit more.  For instance, those parts where u killed the drum machine and it was just 1 loop were boring.  Also, your loops are quite loop-like, so you may want to add some MIDI stuff in too.

[Thorn]

It's a step in the right direction. What software are you using, by the way? I've been meaning to try my hand at this stuff again.

[SawQuart]

@Thorn:

> It's a step in the right direction. What software are you using, by the way? I've been meaning to try my hand at this stuff again.

FL Studio and the Sytrus preset.

[Robin]

Generic sampled beats aren't music. Need to give it some soul.

[Murdoc]

@Jungletoeâ„¢:

> @Thorn:
>
> > It's a step in the right direction. What software are you using, by the way? I've been meaning to try my hand at this stuff again.
>
> FL Studio and the Sytrus preset.

Sytrus eh… try downloading some good vst instruments like Albino3, Vanguard, Nexus, z3ta, V-Station, ts404... etc... Sytrus sucks.

[SawQuart]

@smokeythebear:

> @Jungletoeâ„¢:
>
> > @Thorn:
> >
> > > It's a step in the right direction. What software are you using, by the way? I've been meaning to try my hand at this stuff again.
> >
> > FL Studio and the Sytrus preset.
>
> Sytrus eh… try downloading some good vst instruments like Albino3, Vanguard, Nexus, z3ta, V-Station, ts404... etc... Sytrus sucks.

I have been working with those, except that they are harder to work with in my opinion. Ill try them again though…

[SawQuart]

New Track:
http://soundcloud.com/jungletoe/poland

Also, does anyone know the effect in FL that makes the tempo increase? I tried following your advice, but I couldn't find it  :icon_crap:

[Murdoc]

@Jungletoeâ„¢:

> New Track:
> http://soundcloud.com/jungletoe/poland
>
> Also, does anyone know the effect in FL that makes the tempo increase? I tried following your advice, but I couldn't find it  :icon_crap:

despite what some idiots here are saying, you never just increase the tempo (also known as speed) of a song half way, three quarters or whatever through a song. but doing fade ins and fade outs of certain loops creates build ups, as well as adding in various drum patterns etc. also, you may want to have relaxed parts to a more speedy song, to create a downtempo at certain points. theres many things you can do. basically a song is like a story that you tell different parts, create a climax, end with a bang.. but heres the thing, noone can make you good at melodies, or how those melodies can mix well with certain beat patterns and other sounds. you just need to keep experimenting, use good sounds, and try to tell a story thats pleasing to the ears. if certain sounds come in too fast it can be too harsh. it needs to flow. anyways, to if you want to know how to do build ups ,etc better, then you need to look into how to do automation clips in FL studio, like a youtube tutorial or something. even if you right click on pretty much any knob in fl studio, you'll notice you can "create automation clip" it will create a bar on the bottom of the main screen that you can lower or raise, and this will automate the knob as the song is playing, to whatever levels you put it at in various parts. this way you can automate the volume control, automate sound fx, etc etc etc… anyways, hope that helps!

[SawQuart]

Yeah, Ive known about automation clips for a while. Thats how I did that snare intro thing.

Im experimenting mostly now with Autotune (GSnap), Compression, and reverb.

[Murdoc]

@Jungletoeâ„¢:

> Yeah, Ive known about automation clips for a while. Thats how I did that snare intro thing.
>
> Im experimenting mostly now with Autotune (GSnap), Compression, and reverb.

theyre all good fx. experiment with delay too, and the love philter is pretty cool.

[SawQuart]

New Track:
http://soundcloud.com/jungletoe/swell

I basically took the good parts out of all the songs.

[Kusy]

@Jungletoeâ„¢:

> and I know the song may sound repetitive.


[Tompwnage]

Well comparing to the first one you made it sounds much  much better than before. You still need a little verity of instruments playing at the same time. Also the climax needs more speed. Either way you improved your music in some way.

[Murdoc]

@Jungletoeâ„¢:

> New Track:
> http://soundcloud.com/jungletoe/swell
>
> I basically took the good parts out of all the songs.

youre starting to sound a lot better! wow. but, if I can make a suggestion, after the first highhat buildup instead of getting less layers, add more, like a bass thats playing the root note on the offbeat for example.

edit: this one kinda reminds of final fantasy :)

[Thorn]

@smokeythebear:

> despite what some idiots here are saying, you never just increase the tempo (also known as speed) of a song half way, three quarters or whatever through a song.

>! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xY7Heaqg8

Amazing song. Tempo doubles about a third of the way in.

>! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXjNB43WRBk

Brilliant psychedelic trance song. Tempo goes wonderfully screwy right around the three minute mark.

Those two are off the top of my head, I'm sure I could find others. You CAN increase the tempo of a song part way through. It actually sounds really great, when done right.

[Murdoc]

@Thorn:

> @smokeythebear:
>
> > despite what some idiots here are saying, you never just increase the tempo (also known as speed) of a song half way, three quarters or whatever through a song.
>
> >! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1xY7Heaqg8
>
> Amazing song. Tempo doubles about a third of the way in.
>
> >! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXjNB43WRBk
>
> Brilliant psychedelic trance song. Tempo goes wonderfully screwy right around the three minute mark.
>
> Those two are off the top of my head, I'm sure I could find others. You CAN increase the tempo of a song part way through. It actually sounds really great, when done right.

I'll give ya those. But it's actually not that common. When someone was saying build up the tempo, im pretty sure they meant build up the part with layers, etc.

[Chakkra]

Heavyweight rocks. I wish I could make music like Infected Mushroom.. That song tells a story. And not a single part is looped or repeated throughout the entire song. It's constantly different. And the tempo changes quite a lot.

[SawQuart]

@-Vegeta-:

> Heavyweight rocks. I wish I could make music like Infected Mushroom.. That song tells a story. And not a single part is looped or repeated throughout the entire song. It's constantly different. And the tempo changes quite a lot.

That's what my goal is once I get better.

New Track:
http://soundcloud.com/jungletoe/instants

It sounds repetitive, but I tried to make up for it by adding in a few more automation clips.

[Tompwnage]

@Jungletoeâ„¢:

> That's what my goal is once I get better.
>
> New Track:
> http://soundcloud.com/jungletoe/instants
>
> It sounds repetitive, but I tried to make up for it by adding in a few more automation clips.

You improved alot. :)
Actually sounds pretty good.

[SawQuart]

Thanks :azn:

Next, Im going to try to have different instruments such as violins and other strings, while still working on getting better automation clips.

The HnH server downtimes are really making me a lot more productive
XD