YourBestNightmare Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 Lol I coded that IDE from scratch only using different Swing L&F called WebLAF. And I am not calling everything mine, I have all credits in Wiki in Introduction. Or you don't believe that I can create something that good as Non is without ripping code from other people? Then I must dissapoint you. This is still "good" old Eclipse even when owner changed 2 times, you guys are happy only when you throw **** at other peoples hard work. You are trying to say that I wrapped some features of graphic library what I am using? You did same in Mavra. But you stopped there and gave up. I created tool what allows developers to write games in JavaScript and Lua and publish them to all platforms and I am not even half done. I made IDE for it. Still not enough? I have planned visual editors extension for IDE what will allow developers to make games without writing even a single line of code and I believe that I can do it. You don't believe in me? Okay, I don't even care about moderate Windows-oriented programmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 > Lol I coded that IDE from scratch only using different Swing L&F called WebLAF. And I am not calling everything mine, I have all credits in Wiki in Introduction. Or you don't believe that I can create something that good as Non is without ripping code from other people? Then I must dissapoint you. This is still "good" old Eclipse even when owner changed 2 times, you guys are happy only when you throw **** at other peoples hard work. You are trying to say that I wrapped some features of graphic library what I am using? You did same in Mavra. But you stopped there and gave up. I created tool what allows developers to write games in JavaScript and Lua and publish them to all platforms and I am not even half done. I made IDE for it. Still not enough? I have planned visual editors extension for IDE what will allow developers to make games without writing even a single line of code and I believe that I can do it. You don't believe in me? Okay, I don't even care about moderate Windows-oriented programmer.There are two things in Mavra that are not mine: TiledSharp which is NOT a part of my project and is compiled separately, and the very simple state machine which has 100% of it's original copyright headers and a license is included with my source. Â Otherwise, 100% written, compiled, and owned by me. Â Gave up? Â It's finished, sir. Â I've recently added physics components and several other things, all written exclusively by me, owned by me, and from scratch. Â I honestly don't care what you use or how it's thrown together; your project is 95% other peoples work and as long as you give credit to the original authors it's a non-issue. Â This new little IDE you're writing? Â No, I don't think you're capable of it at all. Â You're suspicious and your ethics suck. Â What's more to say?Ps. I get nothing, especially not a hard-on, from calling you out. Â I don't do it in spite of you or because I'm "angry". Â I do it out of principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted February 1, 2015 Author Share Posted February 1, 2015 100% yours? Okay. Cause I am using gradle, all source code in Non repository on github is 100% mine exceptgradlew one. All dependencies are downloaded separately and are not even present in Non repo. Not enough? Also, only part of Nide which I do not wrote is WebLAF library. And you are trying to say that you are something more when you are using only 1 library for your small generic 2d game framework compared to my project where I am using 1 library for IDE and 5 libraries for main project (which is cross-platform compiler, game framework and supports 3 different programming languages) and calling me not capable to finish something trivial as IDE? And as I said earlier, all credits are given and present. And my work is my work, I am not ripping other people's code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted February 4, 2015 Author Share Posted February 4, 2015 **New 3.5.0 release**- added awesome module engine similar to node.js but better ;)- removed non.require as it was never working- moved launcher source code to separate repository to decrease amount of downloaded data for each update and to split versioning of launcher and Non- added checks for outdated non.jar version- replaced Lua support with CoffeeScript and optional JavaScript- removed support for custom scripting languages (sorry folks :/)- removed need of adding "language" to non.cfgAlso, wiki is updated for CoffeeScript and I created tutorial for new modules system here: [https://github.com/non-dev/non/wiki/Working-with-multiple-script-files](https://github.com/non-dev/non/wiki/Working-with-multiple-script-files)![](http://non-dev.github.io/img/nide.png) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helladen Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 If he isn't selling it, what's the problem? If he is using open-source libraries, he isn't stealing anything. He is using it just how the authors want it to be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 > If he isn't selling it, what's the problem? If he is using open-source libraries, he isn't stealing anything. He is using it just how the authors want it to be used.Perspective, e.g. Honesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helladen Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 > Perspective, e.g. Honesty.Even the most honest people, aren't honest enough. It's just perspective, if he has them in the [credits](https://github.com/non-dev/non/wiki/Introduction)Â it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffSventora Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 When I was working on the .NET version I used third party libraries and credited them. The biggest thing in my opinion is making sure that the implementation of them makes sense and is optimal. I wouldn't throw anything into an engine if it doesn't perform well. You should post some specs of the framework, stress test it - given the bare functionality, how long does it take for scripts to compile, how many sprites can you draw at once, etc… that's the important part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted February 7, 2015 Author Share Posted February 7, 2015 Thanks for clearing that out guys.@[member="JeffSventora"] I didn't did any performance tests except physics one with few hundreds objects colliding eachother and it do not caused any performance loss, but I didn't checked CPS, but FPS was stable at 60\. But to be honest, when on Android, my engine runs on Rhino VM what runs on Java VM what runs on Dalvik VM, so but it causes only around 30 percent performance loss as they are optimized for eachother. In future I am planning to switch to V8 javascript engine, what is using natives, so performance drop will be 5-10 percent only. As this is 2d engine, it shouldn't be problem. But for compare, if I will render 100 sprites in EO 3.0, it will cause same performance drop as drawing few tousands of them with my engine (but still slower than compared to native LibGDX :( )**New 3.6.0 release**- added destroy(..) method for destroying bodies and joints to physics (usage physics.destroy(joint) or physics.destroy(body))- added many new methods to physics module for different types of joints and joint definitions- added physics example (usage java -jar non.jar gen:physics)- added example of require function (usage java -jar non.jar gen:require)- added support for classes to JavaScript engine (read Wiki for example usage)- removed CoffeeScript support, now engine only supports JavaScript- renamed non.cfg to config.json to actually show in what language is it and to support external editors- removed plugin system, replaced it with module system introduced in last patch (prefix "non" is used for determining non modules)- moved non.buffer to network.buffer- split input module to parts, so now f.e input.keyboard is keyboard, input.mouse is mouse etc- fixed bug when clearing screen via graphics.clear method caused to erase all text from screen permanently (now calling clear method is required before drawing anything on screen and not optional as before)- added queryAABB method to physics- optimized calling of functions from scripts by storing them properly in variables- fixed unproject method from graphics moduleAnd again I rewrote wiki and created new tutorial for all Non modules: [https://github.com/non-dev/non/wiki/Non-modules](https://github.com/non-dev/non/wiki/Non-modules)Below is screenie of new variable tree in Nide:![](http://non-dev.github.io/img/nide.png) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted February 10, 2015 Author Share Posted February 10, 2015 **New 3.9.0 release**- created GUI sample (usage java -jar non.jar gen:gui)- added setVisible(boolean) method to keyboard and mouse modules- added measureText(text) and measureText(text, width) methods to graphics module- started working on GUI system (for now only button, label and text box)- overhauled physics and graphics module (read wiki again please)- fixed Pong example- speeded up engine (at start it is slower than before, but after "warming up" it is a bit faster)- changed non.touchdown(position, pointer, button) to non.touchdown(x, y, pointer, button)- changed non.touchup(position, pointer, button) to non.touchup(x, y, pointer, button)- changed non.touchdragged(position, pointer) to non.touchdragged(x, y, pointer)- changed non.mousemoved(position) to non.mousemoved(x, y)- fixed non.keytyped(character) event- added support for setBlending from strings (additive, alpha, subtractive, multiplicative, premultiplied, replace, screen)- added uniqueNumber and uniqueString methods to math module- added getTint() method to graphics module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 So, first thing I need to say that now I am very very close to start adding support for web platform. I made some big changes in source code structure what will enable me to do it without much pain.**GUI module**So first thing on what I was working on in this update was GUI system. I decided to use immediate mode GUI system, because for simple 2D games retained GUIs are overkill imo. New GUI module currently supports only few widgets:* Button* Label* Text area* Horizontal scroll bar* Vertical scroll barAlso, for simplicity, new GUI module do not ships with ANY default renderer, you need to create yourown one or use renderer from GUI example project what can be found on GitHub or using gen:gui task. You can for example create label renderer like this:```this.label = function(id, text, x, y) { var color = graphics.getTint(); graphics.tint('white'); graphics.print({text: text, position: [x, y]}); graphics.tint(color);};```Here is small GIF demonstrating new GUI module:[![](http://media.indiedb.com/cache/images/engines/1/1/680/thumb_620x2000/gui.gif)](http://www.indiedb.com/engines/no-nonsense/images/gui-system-update)**New example projects**Many people asked me how to do that and how to do this in Non, so I decided I need to create more example projects. Creating example project is simple, you can do it via Nide:[![](http://media.indiedb.com/cache/images/engines/1/1/680/thumb_620x2000/project_select.png)](http://www.indiedb.com/engines/no-nonsense/images/new-sample-system-in-nide)or via gen: task. Current samples included in Non are:* require - demonstrates "require" method and modules system* GUI - demonstrates GUI system and widgets, comes with nice renderer (you can see it in GUI GIF what I posted above)* network - demonstrates networking engine with simple client/server connection* physics - demonstrates physics and lights engine* pong - demonstrates input and shape renderingHere is bigger GIF of physics sample:[![](http://media.indiedb.com/cache/images/engines/1/1/680/thumb_620x2000/ezgif.com-optimize.gif)](http://www.indiedb.com/engines/no-nonsense/images/light-engine)So, for now it is all.You can download new update from [official site](http://non-dev.github.io) or browse the [source code](https://github.com/non-dev). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted February 26, 2015 Author Share Posted February 26, 2015 I was working on NON and I moved from JavaScript to Ruby. Also, NON is now available via RubyGems:```gem install non```Above code will install NON command line, so after installing it you can use non like this:```non hello```to generate Hello World project in current directory.Also, updated website: [http://non2d.github.io/](http://non2d.github.io/) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 Hello everyone :) New update is finally here.I updated website (again). You can check it here: [http://non2d.github.io/](http://non2d.github.io/). Also, new logo:![](http://media.indiedb.com/images/articles/1/182/181041/auto/logo.png)So, stop talking, start showcasing.I created new super awesome splash screen which now also logs progress.![](http://media.indiedb.com/images/articles/1/182/181041/auto/CurHB9w.png)Here is example of old method of drawing images and text (with resource loading displayed on splash screen):```require "non/graphics"def init(assets) assets.add :image, "nokia_logo.png"enddef ready @image = Graphics.image "nokia_logo.png"enddef render(dt) Graphics.print "What hath Matz wrought?", position: [10, 10] Graphics.draw @image, position: [50, 50]end```And here is same functionality with new API:```@image = NON.graphics.image "nokia_logo.png"def draw NON.graphics.print "What hath Matz wrought?", position: [10, 10] NON.graphics.draw @image, position: [50, 50]end```Awesome right? Same applies to rest of NÖN functionality. Also, added new file API. Reading from files:```file = NON.files.internal "myfile.txt"text = file.read_string```Writing to files:```file = NON.files.local "myfile.txt"file.write_string "My god, it's full of stars"```Also, added support for parsing YAML, JSON and XML files. Small example of parsing YAML:```@file = NON.files.internal "non/config.yml"@config = NON.files.parse_yaml @file.read_stringputs @config["name"]``` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitespirits Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Can this make Online RPG like eclipse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 Of course you can make online RPG with NON :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonello Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 This makes me wish I knew Ruby even more. :D Nice work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 Thanks @[member="Colonello"]. I finally got javax.script working on Android, so after I will finish entire API (right now for example physics and files API is mess) then I will probably add also Lua support as right now I tested some parts of API in Lua and it is working perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Hey everyone again. I finished API finally so I was able to add back Lua support. Now NÖN can be also installed with [LuaRocks](https://luarocks.org):```luarocks install non```Also, I updated website with some more samples for both Ruby and Lua: [http://non2d.github.io](http://non2d.github.io) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hey everyone!I released new version of engine. Some major updates are* updated LibGDX backend to v1.5.5* updated RoboVM backend to v1.0.0* updated and optimized Lua backend* added MoonScript support* fully documented entire API* new non.system module* speeded up engine (a lot)* fixed all known (and unknown) bugs* reduced build times by 95% (really)To see full changelog, navigate [here](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/non2d/non/master/CHANGES).New documentation is uploaded to official site.You can see full documentation [here](http://nononsense.science/docs/).Also, engine have new icon (looks great mainly on mobile devices):![](https://raw.githubusercontent.com/non2d/non/master/lib/engine/resources/icon.png) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Hello, hello ;)Right now I finished new version (v0.6.4). It includes one awesome feature what is unique to every other Lua game engine, and that is direct interoperability with Java. Small example on how to use Apache Commons IO (popular Java library with many IO utilities).1\. We will add dependency to config.yml``` libs: - "commons-io:commons-io:2.4"```2\. Now, we can use it:```function non.ready() fsu = non.java.bind("org.apache.commons.io.FileSystemUtils") freeSpace = fsu:freeSpaceKb()end``````non.ready = -> fsu = non.java.bind "org.apache.commons.io.FileSystemUtils" freeSpace = fsu\freeSpaceKb!```Also, I added documentation for new non.java module [here](http://nononsense.science/docs/modules/non.java.html).[Click here to see full changelog](https://github.com/non2d/non/blob/master/CHANGES) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Hello everyone.I just wanted to tell that this project is not dead yet (and still under active development). I just do not had time to post updates here. I changed API totatlly to match [Love2D](https://love2d.org) API.Here are some images of running random Love2D games in NON:>! ![](http://i.imgur.com/s1F2bof.jpg)>! ![](http://i.imgur.com/ujPxPkJ.jpg)>! ![](http://i.imgur.com/caUSbnb.jpg)>! ![](http://i.imgur.com/bXKQkFk.jpg) Also, here is image of IDE for NON called NIDE what is WIP:>! ![](http://i.imgur.com/RyflZyk.png) Love2D Passing clouds demo on- my Android x86 quad-core 2GHz, 1GB ram tablet:>! ![](http://i.imgur.com/Fs9RLms.jpg) - my Android arm-v7 single-core 1GHz, 512MB ram phone>! ![](http://i.imgur.com/31j3AYd.jpg) I want to replace LuaJ with [luajava](https://github.com/jasonsantos/luajava) for big performance boost. I just need pre-compiled luajava (along with latest Lua for iOS and for rest of platforms with latest LuaJIT) natives for* android32* ios32* linux32* linux64* macosx32* macosx64* windows32* windows64If anyone is able to cross-compile natives for any of that platforms (for Android it must be for both ARM and x86) it would be great and will save me tons of work. Maybe we can use something like libGDX is doing [here](https://github.com/libgdx/libgdx/tree/master/gdx/jni) but as I do not own Mac I cannot make natives for iOS and Mac OS X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourBestNightmare Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share Posted June 30, 2015 I thought about sort of extensions or addons to engine.My idea is that there will be nondev/non.extensions repository, where people will simply create pull request to add new extension. Each extension will have its own config.yml file with extension name, license, author, version etc.And then, after installation, engine will download extensions repository somewhere. Then, after creating a project, user will be able to type```non install ```and it will extract specified extension to project directory to extensions folder. Then, during build, extension will be included into project.What do you think about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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