Obama 2012

[Admiral Refuge]

@AmSamurai:

> I think that the problem with America is exactly what Varethian mentioned. We elect someone into office for four years and expect them to fix every problem that we think is wrong with our country. For one, we have too many problems to be fixed in four years. Second, after the four years is up, we quickly evaluate the fact that our president did "nothing" and decide the best option is to replace him with someone that will take a completely different approach. Honestly, if we were to keep people in office with the same views on how to fix our country's problems, maybe in a decade or two we would fix some of our deep rooted issues. Unfortunately, our politicians are so money hungry and power obsessed, they prance on any golden opportunity to prove to society that they should be the ones in charge…Until a new generation steps in and realizes that these old motherfuckers are the reason why everything is shit, and convinces them to just finally retire after a bajillion years, things will continue to remain how they are.
>
> tl;dr: The older generations of Americans are stupid money hungry pricks. Honestly, we need a couple hundred stoners to fill some seats in office. That would solve issues real quick.

I can see where you're getting at (though Clinton served two terms and Bush served two terms).  The problem really comes down to both sides are serving the ones that write their paychecks (the lobbyists, etc).  So you see things favoring the corporations and the bankers rather than the people.

Though on that note, the current government structure is pretty messed up in general.  Voting in economically inefficient, so my well-researched vote for Ron Paul would be worth the same as the guy that rolled the dice and got McCain.

To be honest, I'd rather have it back to how the constitution had it: House of Representatives be voted in by the people, and the Senate be appointed by the government.  People are stupid, and shouldn't be choosing our leaders… It's debatable weather people should even vote in the President, as a council could probably make a better-researched appointment (think how the Speaker of the House is chosen).

As far as Anna's picture, let me quote one of our founding fathers:
_"I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered."_ –Thomas Jefferson
Now ask yourself: Ever heard of the Federal Reserve?

@Jungletoe:

> So George Washington was an idiot then? Or are you just mad we won :3

What does that have to do with this, exactly?

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[Helladen]

@Robin:

> You haven't been following politics for long, have you?

Not much but every single thing he has promised that I've heard has been a lie.

@Robin:

> What? I was pointing out that every single generation you get the exact same state of mine. "Once the older people are out then everything will change."
>
> It doesn't. I have no idea what you were trying to say, Brady.

Jungle bringing up the Revolution was pointless… But waiting for change doesn't happen, you need to make change.

[Homicidal Monkey]

ITT: people who know the average amount of politics the average citizen knows. aka little.

[Guest]

@Helladen:

> Not much but every single thing he has promised that I've heard has been a lie.
>
> Jungle bringing up the Revolution was pointless… But waiting for change doesn't happen, you need to make change.

or move out of the country. XD

Robin is right though. What sucks though, it seems, is that the people who do have a grasp on the situation and truly know what kinds of things need to be done in office to turn our country around are the ones who would rather just stay out of it…leaving those who have perfected ass-kissing to step in a sweet talk their way to power. Then, the "little-guy syndrome" kicks in as soon as they are handed all this money and power.

History around the world has practically based itself around the "we have more bombs than you, nana nana boo boo" theory. FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuu.....Its all about who has the most and biggest bombs or destructive power out there.

In Jungle's case, all Britain did was hang a couple of peasants in the grand scheme of things. Truly though, they have been the most mature country about things throughout world history.

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@Fabio:

> ITT: people who know the average amount of politics the average citizen knows. aka little.

I actually know quite a bit. Have taken part in a few campaigns, taken political classes, and did a lot of political science research when my father ran for a local office.

[Homicidal Monkey]

@AmSamurai:

> In Jungle's case, all Britain did was hang a couple of peasants in the grand scheme of things. Truly though, they have been the most mature country about things throughout world history.

>forming country on small island
>several kings
>evangelicalism
>imperialism

stop ass-kissing to Robin. ALL COUNTRIES HAVE ducked UP at some point in time. There is no way to fully know which country is doing it right, ever.

edit: forgot "depending on Rome so much that Provinciae Britania fell with the Roman empire"

[Hddddd]

The only president(s) I think are worse than Obama is Clinton and maybe Bush.

I think he only won because he is African American,due that people play favorites nowadays.

[Guest]

@Fabio:

> >forming country on small island
> >several kings
> >evangelicalism
> >imperialism
>
> stop ass-kissing to Robin. ALL COUNTRIES HAVE ducked UP at some point in time. There is no way to fully know which country is doing it right, ever.

I wasn't ass-kissing. Aside from putting the hate crime on Germany after WWI leading to the rise of Hitler and the start of WWII because of German oppression, they didn't ever really do anything catastrophic. It is as you say, all countries are messed up, but in terms of mass destruction or genocide, Britain has kept their hands clean.

…All I was saying...

[Helladen]

@AmSamurai:

> or move out of the country. XD
>
> Robin is right though. What sucks though, it seems, is that the people who do have a grasp on the situation and truly know what kinds of things need to be done in office to turn our country around are the ones who would rather just stay out of it…leaving those who have perfected ass-kissing to step in a sweet talk their way to power. Then, the "little-guy syndrome" kicks in as soon as they are handed all this money and power.
>
> History around the world has practically based itself around the "we have more bombs than you, nana nana boo boo" theory. FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuu.....Its all about who has the most and biggest bombs or destructive power out there.
>
> In Jungle's case, all Britain did was hang a couple of peasants in the grand scheme of things. Truly though, they have been the most mature country about things throughout world history.
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> EDIT:
>
> I actually know quite a bit. Have taken part in a few campaigns, taken political classes, and did a lot of political science research when my father ran for a local office.

Why would I do that when other country's are worse than ours?

[Homicidal Monkey]

@AmSamurai:

> but in terms of mass destruction or genocide, Britain has kept their hands clean.

>imperialism

@Hddddd:

> The only president(s) I think are worse than Obama is Clinton and maybe Bush.
>
> I think he only won because he is African American,due that people play favorites nowadays.

I think Clinton was a pretty cool guy, eh fucks ladies, gets economical surplus, and doesn't afraid of national debt

[Guest]

@Helladen:

> Why would I do that when other country's are worse than ours?

joke?

[Helladen]

No. I'm being completely serious. We're falling apart but at the moment we're still the best country in my opinion.

[Admiral Refuge]

@AmSamurai:

> In Jungle's case, all Britain did was hang a couple of peasants in the grand scheme of things. Truly though, they have been the most mature country about things throughout world history.

The United Kingdom has almost single-handedly screwed up almost every continent on this planet in their obsession with taking over the world.  They've probably been the most influential in the grand scheme of things; screwing over Africa, Australia, Asia, and the Americas (though Spain did their share in South America).  There are quite afew countries trying to recover from the devastation left in the wake of the British Empire.

@Fabio:

> I think Clinton was a pretty cool guy, eh ducks ladies, gets economical surplus, and doesn't afraid of national debt

Ironically, Clinton was the last president to end his terms with the US in a SURPLUS.  Bush and Obama sold our souls to China.

[Homicidal Monkey]

@Helladen:

> No. I'm being completely serious. We're falling apart but at the moment we're still the best country in my opinion.

eh, we're actually doing better this year than last year.

@AmSamurai:

> joke?

actually, the US IS doing better than everyone else. Besides Norway and Luxemburg, but nobody wants to live there.

[Guest]

@Fabio:

> >imperialism

Every country has had their share of expansion periods. When trying to claim Hawaii, we forced out the royalty by threatening to attack tribes who merely had rocks and sticks to defend themselves…

Britain never bombed Hiroshima nor did they round up the Jews and force them into concentration camps.

...All I'm saying...

For the most part, they have remained fairly civil. If anything, I will revise my statement to post WWII Britain for you.

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@Helladen:

> No. I'm being completely serious. We're falling apart but at the moment we're still the best country in my opinion.

NO. I was joking…I didn't think I would have to spell it out for you...sheesh.

[Homicidal Monkey]

The Brits did kinda round up the Indians and beat them into submission. And also drain several countries of their resources. Africa got the most ducked up by Europe. Only thing good that Britain has done to the world through imperialism was Hong Kong

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also depending on viewpoint, for some people it is worse to remove their sense of nationality than to kill them.

[Helladen]

Well Japan did offensively attack us and they lied to us of means of peace. It's better to bomb a country to end a war that could of lasted for another 7 years and lose many lives.

We're human we may mistakes and rash decisions, that's life.

[Admiral Refuge]

@AmSamurai:

> Britain never bombed Hiroshima nor did they round up the Jews and force them into concentration camps.

No, they just committed mass-genocide against the Native Americans, left India and most of Africa as a desolate wasteland, and forced the Aborigines into concentration camps.

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[Homicidal Monkey]

well, im gonna vote Obama 2012 unless the republicans are able to change my mind. (inb4 they dont) and most of you ppl on eclipse cant do anything about that seeing as in a year, the >=18 demographic is still gonna be like 5% of the forums.

[Guest]

@Admiral:

> No, they just committed mass-genocide against the Native Americans, left India and most of Africa as a desolate wasteland, and forced the Aborigines into concentration camps.
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As did we as we tried achieving Manifest Destiny.

I suppose this could go in a big circle. Overall, I am in no way stating that Britain is clean. The thread just took a turn that way.

Back to Obama:

I feel that he has all the right intentions, but to me, he appears as more of a motivational speaker than anything. His Presidential Address was more of an uplifting motivational talk than an accomplishment speech. I don't feel his is 100% fit for the job as President. If anything, he'd be a great adviser…

[Thorn]

The way I see it, the president is a figurehead. Whoever has the office is too tied down by the wealthy elite to really be able to make their own decisions.

So basically, no matter who you vote for down there, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

[zdearborn]

@AmSamurai:

> I feel that he has all the right intentions

You must be a socialist.

[Guest]

@foxtrott:

> You must be a socialist.

I wouldn't quite consider myself a socialist. Sure I believe that the proletariat needs to stand up to the bourgeoisie, but I'm more of a tlmp follower.

[DrNova]

So many people comment without actually KNOWING anything, always bothers me.  Obama is doing an allright job.  You cant blame him for anything wrong really.  All the issues he inherited. The defecit, the budget hole, those were around long before he got into office, he's doing what he can to manage it, but trust me, he hasnt made it worse.

And also dont forget that even when Dems had a minor majority in congress, republicans have been nearly unwilling to work with him on anything, its hard to get things done when your own co-workers fight you on every issue. He talks bigger then he accomlishes, but thats every pololitian.

He's done an allright job.

I'm neither Dem nor Rep, though the attitude of Republicans for a long time has tilted me towards voting democrat.  Republicans attitudes lately has been more for their party and less for the country.

[IceCream Tuesday]

btw.. only read a page and half.
Okay.. I'm jump straight into this.. I DON'T follow politics..
I'm going to vote for Obama though. I personally think that our presidential terms are too short. They should be the same length as the Mexican presidential term, 6 years. Reason.. Gets elected.. has to get situated in EVERYTHING.. (meet with the branches choose a cabinet, move into the white house.) so.. thats i'd say a little more then the first 6 months of being president.. then.. 2 years and 6 months go by.. and then he's back to campaigning again.. so out of the term the president only is really focusing on the country for 2 of the years.

tldr: Presidents only have like 2 years to fully focus on the countries problems.

[JSchilli1]

I think that Obama is a communist muslim who was born in Kenya.

trollface.bmp

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