Best country to move to? (Seriously.)

[Homicidal Monkey]

@Anna:

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[DrNova]


[Kimimaru]

I would say either the United States, Norway (rated the most peaceful nation in the world), Japan, or some European country. Some of the ideas I've heard regarding the United States on this thread by Americans themselves are invalid, and I'd like to address many of these ideas.

The value of the dollar is not decreasing. What makes you think that? We only think it's decreasing because we're used to our currency being worth the most. If anything, the value of the dollar is increasing, as you can now get more Euros or Pounds with a single dollar than before.

We're all aware that the economy in the United States is bad, but you apparently don't know that our economy is not the only economy suffering. Many countries across the globe are experiencing a recession, and it will start to improve because that's how the economic cycle goes.

If you think that Americans "don't care" about what the government is doing, then you're wrong. Americans are among the most active participants in their government, and it's not just because America has a democracy. You're just one of the many cynics in society who feel that the government has bad intentions. I'm not saying that the government is always right, but there are some people who always think that the government is out to get its own citizens; that's not how it works. Then we get into the Obama discussion.

Why is everyone blaming Obama for everything? If you knew anything about American government, you'd know that the President plays almost no role in creating laws. He only plays a role in passing legislation with his veto power, and even if he denies the policy, then it's possible for Congress to override his veto if it has enough support.

Anyway, my list for the best countries to move to is at the top of my post. I've found that most people who say that America is so bad have never been to any other country. I've heard many people that have visited another country state that it's better in America than it was in their previous location. I'd also like to state that I'm not nationalistic but that I do stay loyal to my nation regardless of the faults it has.

[Homicidal Monkey]

@Kimimaru:

> I would say either the United States, Norway (rated the most peaceful nation in the world), Japan, or some European country. Some of the ideas I've heard regarding the United States on this thread by Americans themselves are invalid, and I'd like to address many of these ideas.
>
> The value of the dollar is not decreasing. What makes you think that? We only think it's decreasing because we're used to our currency being worth the most. If anything, the value of the dollar is increasing, as you can now get more Euros or Pounds with a single dollar than before.

2USD:1.5EURO

> We're all aware that the economy in the United States is bad, but you apparently don't know that our economy is not the only economy suffering. Many countries across the globe are experiencing a recession, and it will start to improve because that's how the economic cycle goes.

lololol we trol u

> If you think that Americans "don't care" about what the government is doing, then you're wrong. Americans are among the most active participants in their government, and it's not just because America has a democracy. You're just one of the many cynics in society who feel that the government has bad intentions. I'm not saying that the government is always right, but there are some people who always think that the government is out to get its own citizens; that's not how it works. Then we get into the Obama discussion.
>
> Why is everyone blaming Obama for everything? If you knew anything about American government, you'd know that the President plays almost no role in creating laws. He only plays a role in passing legislation with his veto power, and even if he denies the policy, then it's possible for Congress to override his veto if it has enough support.

cuz he's black and people are trying to marginalize him

[DrNova]

*gasp* Obama is BLACK!?

[Tompwnage]

@Kimimaru:

> I would say either the United States, Norway (rated the most peaceful nation in the world), Japan, or some European country. Some of the ideas I've heard regarding the United States on this thread by Americans themselves are invalid, and I'd like to address many of these ideas.

Take a shot.  ;)

@Kimimaru:

> The value of the dollar is not decreasing. What makes you think that? We only think it's decreasing because we're used to our currency being worth the most. If anything, the value of the dollar is increasing, as you can now get more Euros or Pounds with a single dollar than before.

Lolol!
@Kimimaru:

> If you think that Americans "don't care" about what the government is doing, then you're wrong. Americans are among the most active participants in their government, and it's not just because America has a democracy. You're just one of the many cynics in society who feel that the government has bad intentions. I'm not saying that the government is always right, but there are some people who always think that the government is out to get its own citizens; that's not how it works. Then we get into the Obama discussion.

Resolved Question
Why are we in the USA so stupid that we believe every hair brain fabrication reported as news?

Best Answer - Chosen by Asker

Because we are too lazy to actually research anything, hoping to get all we need in 30 second 'Breaking News' segments.
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yes you are right….if we do not start to pay attention we are goig to start losing some of our freedoms

Source: http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100325191510AARMwoy

@Kimimaru:

> Anyway, my list for the best countries to move to is at the top of my post. I've found that most people who say that America is so bad have never been to any other country. I've heard many people that have visited another country state that it's better in America than it was in their previous location. I'd also like to state that I'm not nationalistic but that I do stay loyal to my nation regardless of the faults it has.
>
> We're all aware that the economy in the United States is bad, but you apparently don't know that our economy is not the only economy suffering. Many countries across the globe are experiencing a recession, and it will start to improve because that's how the economic cycle goes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fuagzJcsYI&feature=related

@Kimimaru:

> Why is everyone blaming Obama for everything? If you knew anything about American government, you'd know that the President plays almost no role in creating laws. He only plays a role in passing legislation with his veto power, and even if he denies the policy, then it's possible for Congress to override his veto if it has enough support.

Every signal statement out of his mouth is a Ducking lie. also explain to me why is all of Obama's ducking people from ''Wall Street''.

@Kimimaru:

> Anyway, my list for the best countries to move to is at the top of my post. I've found that most people who say that America is so bad have never been to any other country. I've heard many people that have visited another country state that it's better in America than it was in their previous location. I'd also like to state that I'm not nationalistic but that I do stay loyal to my nation regardless of the faults it has.

Explain to me what to duck if the federal reserve and wither is a private or not.

**Conclusion: Next time be more informed ;D (Also no offence intended in this post)**

Regards,
Tompwnage

[Godlord]

ITT: people who still believe in Fail-Europe.

Regards,
  Stephan.

[Tompwnage]

This is basically the reason I am moving literally. (Not the video but the fact that the dollar is actually literally crashing) His last words are completely true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fuagzJcsYI&feature=related

Once the dollar crashes this means marshal law in america buddy. And you may find this as a joke or something but mainstream media is a big BS they say things are better at the gulf YET they are worse. Also Stephen do you mind giving me some insite of college prices ect in the Netherlands?

Also if you guys watched that video you will find this interestingly funny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3NwdkXEsN8

[Godlord]

> Also Stephen do you mind giving me some insite of college prices ect in the Netherlands?

In the Netherlands we have several universities and "hogescholen" (lit. high schools, fig. universities of applied sciences) spread over the whole country and the same generally counts for Belgium (e.g. you have universities in Amsterdam, Maastricht, Utrecht, Leiden, Delft, Leuven (Belgium), Hasselt (Belgium), Brussels (Belgium), etc.). Generally, most universities adapt English students easily as if they were Dutch students, this is because English is generally a secondary language in both countries (e.g. the University of Amsterdam's site has an English version as well).

The prices seem to be cheap as far as I know. Basically, if you want to study computer science and software engineering at UvA (Amsterdam) for instance, then this is the table you want to look at:

| Full-time Student | €1672 |
| Part-time Student | €1500 |
| Dual Student | €1672 |
| Extraneï | €1672 |

Then there also additional costs for the school materials (generally books), excursions (depending on the course), etc.

That should give you some insight into the matter. What I generally recommend is, looking at the several university sites there are for the Netherlands, and perhaps Belgium.

Regards,
  Stephan.

[Tompwnage]

@The:

> > Also Stephen do you mind giving me some insite of college prices ect in the Netherlands?
>
> In the Netherlands we have several universities and "hogescholen" (lit. high schools, fig. universities of applied sciences) spread over the whole country and the same generally counts for Belgium (e.g. you have universities in Amsterdam, Maastricht, Utrecht, Leiden, Delft, Leuven (Belgium), Hasselt (Belgium), Brussels (Belgium), etc.). Generally, most universities adapt English students easily as if they were Dutch students, this is because English is generally a secondary language in both countries (e.g. the University of Amsterdam's site has an English version as well).
>
> The prices seem to be cheap as far as I know. Basically, if you want to study computer science and software engineering at UvA (Amsterdam) for instance, then this is the table you want to look at:
>
> | Full-time Student | €1672 |
> | Part-time Student | €1500 |
> | Dual Student | €1672 |
> | Extraneï | €1672 |
>
> Then there also additional costs for the school materials (generally books), excursions (depending on the course), etc.
>
> That should give you some insight into the matter. What I generally recommend is, looking at the several university sites there are for the Netherlands, and perhaps Belgium.
>
> Regards,
>   Stephan.

The college's here are like"

1,138.80 Resident students

4,148.16 for Non Resident (which is a TOTAL RIP)

I am also learning about INTERNATIONAL STUDENT (NON-RESIDENT) TUITION WAIVERs.
Learned about it at this Soruce: http://universitiesandcollegesinwisconsin.com/Non-resident-Tuition-Waivers.cfm
Is there a difference over there between Resident and non resident students?

Also there is some Wiki pages about a socialist government in the Netherlands =x

[Godlord]

@Tompwnageâ„¢:

> The college's here are like"
>
> 1,138.80 Resident students
>
> 4,148.16 for Non Resident (which is a TOTAL RIP)
>
> I am also learning about INTERNATIONAL STUDENT (NON-RESIDENT) TUITION WAIVERs.
> Learned about it at this Soruce: http://universitiesandcollegesinwisconsin.com/Non-resident-Tuition-Waivers.cfm
> Is there a difference over there between Resident and non resident students?

Not that I know, other than perhaps having Dutch nationality, having a home already, etc.

@Tompwnageâ„¢:

> Also there is some Wiki pages about a socialist government in the Netherlands =x

Biggest problem in the Netherlands is: define what our government is and what political views it has. That's when you have to start looking into the C.P.R.-model. Generally we have two chambers: primary (Senate of the Netherlands) and secondary (House of Representatives of the Netherlands) and a monarchy that can accept/reject law changes and such. Primary being where the ministers seat, secondary being where the parties seat. Basically we vote how many seats every party gets (e.g. if a party has more votes than another, it will at least have as much seats (if the votes are near each others) as the other, otherwise more.), therefore the system is considered democratic (the people decide). Each party has its own ideologies. The PVV for instance has: conservatism, national liberalism, Euroscepticism, anti-Islamism and secularism as its ideologies. Generally there are two sides in the secondary chamber: the current government and the opposition. The government is formed after an election and the only rule is that the parties that seat in the government have more than half of the seats present in the chambers (next to the fact that small parties can't be in the government, unless the party that has won, wants to do that, but that wouldn't be democratic). Currently, the Netherlands still has its old government (CDA - PvdA - CU), but currently a new one is being formed (They are currently looking into the combination of PVV - CDA - VVD). That means the government we have is basically defined by the ideologies the parties have that form the government.

Regards,
  Stephan.

[Tompwnage]

@The:

> @Tompwnageâ„¢:
>
> > The college's here are like"
> >
> > 1,138.80 Resident students
> >
> > 4,148.16 for Non Resident (which is a TOTAL RIP)
> >
> > I am also learning about INTERNATIONAL STUDENT (NON-RESIDENT) TUITION WAIVERs.
> > Learned about it at this Soruce: http://universitiesandcollegesinwisconsin.com/Non-resident-Tuition-Waivers.cfm
> > Is there a difference over there between Resident and non resident students?
>
> Not that I know, other than perhaps having Dutch nationality, having a home already, etc.
>
> @Tompwnageâ„¢:
>
> > Also there is some Wiki pages about a socialist government in the Netherlands =x
>
> Biggest problem in the Netherlands is: define what our government is and what political views it has. That's when you have to start looking into the C.P.R.-model. Generally we have two chambers: primary (Senate of the Netherlands) and secondary (House of Representatives of the Netherlands) and a monarchy that can accept/reject law changes and such. Primary being where the ministers seat, secondary being where the parties seat. Basically we vote how many seats every party gets (e.g. if a party has more votes than another, it will at least have as much seats (if the votes are near each others) as the other, otherwise more.), therefore the system is considered democratic (the people decide). Each party has its own ideologies. The PVV for instance has: conservatism, national liberalism, Euroscepticism, anti-Islamism and secularism as its ideologies. Generally there are two sides in the secondary chamber: the current government and the opposition. The government is formed after an election and the only rule is that the parties that seat in the government have more than half of the seats present in the chambers (next to the fact that small parties can't be in the government, unless the party that has won, wants to do that, but that wouldn't be democratic). Currently, the Netherlands still has its old government (CDA - PvdA - CU), but currently a new one is being formed (They are currently looking into the combination of PVV - CDA - VVD). That means the government we have is basically defined by the ideologies the parties have that form the government.
>
> Regards,
>   Stephan.

Yeah I would need to look into that.

@The:

> @Tompwnageâ„¢:
>
> > Also there is some Wiki pages about a socialist government in the Netherlands =x
>
> Biggest problem in the Netherlands is: define what our government is and what political views it has. That's when you have to start looking into the C.P.R.-model. Generally we have two chambers: primary (Senate of the Netherlands) and secondary (House of Representatives of the Netherlands) and a monarchy that can accept/reject law changes and such. Primary being where the ministers seat, secondary being where the parties seat. Basically we vote how many seats every party gets (e.g. if a party has more votes than another, it will at least have as much seats (if the votes are near each others) as the other, otherwise more.), therefore the system is considered democratic (the people decide). Each party has its own ideologies. The PVV for instance has: conservatism, national liberalism, Euroscepticism, anti-Islamism and secularism as its ideologies. Generally there are two sides in the secondary chamber: the current government and the opposition. The government is formed after an election and the only rule is that the parties that seat in the government have more than half of the seats present in the chambers (next to the fact that small parties can't be in the government, unless the party that has won, wants to do that, but that wouldn't be democratic). Currently, the Netherlands still has its old government (CDA - PvdA - CU), but currently a new one is being formed (They are currently looking into the combination of PVV - CDA - VVD). That means the government we have is basically defined by the ideologies the parties have that form the government.
>
> Regards,
>   Stephan.

Ah, gotcha, Very interesting.

[Homicidal Monkey]

@Tompwnageâ„¢:

> The college's here are like"
>
> 1,138.80 Resident students
>
> 4,148.16 for Non Resident (which is a TOTAL RIP)

lololol, you serious?
Here its 10k resident and a 20k for non resident. (Living fees and stuff total to another 20k) For private university its 60k for anyone.

[Tompwnage]

@Zetta:

> lololol, you serious?
> Here its 10k resident and a 20k for non resident. (Living fees and stuff total to another 20k) For private university its 60k for anyone.

20k per semester? Where do you live. XD

[Kimimaru]

I'm not going to get into an argument, but I am well informed and well educated about American government. Just because you look up a Yahoo Answers question, it doesn't mean the response is correct. That response is from Canada, as well, so I don't even know why you would bring that up. As for the value of the dollar, I'm talking about now, not from 2002 to 2007\. Recently, it's been increasing, and it's definitely not worthless, especially since it's the third most valuable currency in the world (http://www.xe.com).

The Federal Reserve is a regulatory agency whose purpose is to regulate the flow of money in the economy, and it's partially independent of the government. This is so that the regulations mandated by the agency are not influenced by public opinion and are impartial. However, it is part of the bureaucracy. The head of the Federal Reserve is changed every 10 years.

From your response, I could tell that you're one of the many cynics in society, and because of that, you're just getting cynical sources. What you're doing wrong is solely focusing on the bad of the country and not trying to appreciate anything. Why do so many people from other countries want to come to America if it's so bad? No one would want to come to America if everything you said is true.

Either way, it's up to you to choose where you want to live; I'm not going to continue the conversation, as we'll be getting off-topic, and this can turn into a flame war.

[Homicidal Monkey]

@Tompwnageâ„¢:

> @Zetta:
>
> > lololol, you serious?
> > Here its 10k resident and a 20k for non resident. (Living fees and stuff total to another 20k) For private university its 60k for anyone.
>
> 20k per semester? Where do you live. XD

California, where everything is jacked the duck up. Also with living expenses and other stuff, its about 30k/year

Rough table of US education system

| tier | schools | cost per year | Required GPA | Actual Req. GPA | Acceptance |
| God Tier | Ivy league + Technical Institutes | 60k+ | –- | >4.1 | REALLY LOW |
| High Tier | University of (state) | 15-30k | 3.0+ | 3.5+ | Mid to Low |
| Mid Tier | State Universities | 5-20k | 2.0+ | 3.0+ | Mid to High |
| Low Tier | City colleges | free-5k | All | All | All |
| Shit Tier: | Online universities | $100/class | All | All | All |

private schools vary between low tier and god tier.

[DrNova]

I hate how many americans that live here and talk down so badly on their own country, and are completely willing to highlight and overley expand on the negative.

America is a great place to live, our problems are no greater then any other country, and we have far more benefits.
Americans who trash their own country dont belong here if they dont appriciate it.  Move somewhere else for a while, then we'll see how much you actually miss it.

[renzo]

@DrNova:

> I hate how many americans that live here and talk down so badly on their own country, and are completely willing to highlight and overley expand on the negative.
>
> America is a great place to live, our problems are no greater then any other country, and we have far more benefits.
> Americans who trash their own country dont belong here if they dont appriciate it.  Move somewhere else for a while, then we'll see how much you actually miss it.

Heh, depends on where they move to. If they go to England or Canada i doubt they would notice a difference.

But i agree with you that there are too many cynics in this world, if they aren't complaining about their country then its the evils of humanity or some BS like that.

[ZoSo]

I have not read the entire topic.

I'd just like to say.. Holland, cause i wanna smoke weed legally.

[azkanan]

@ZoSo:

> I have not read the entire topic.
>
> I'd just like to say.. Holland, cause I wanna smoke weed legally.

I think we have a winner.

Don't forget the clean whores. <3

[azure]

Yeah I just want to throw this out, I was screwing around in my first post. I agree with Renzo and Dr. Nova.

[Tompwnage]

All you who say america is the best. Man take from your own president who was assassinated for this very Quote:

Here is a sobering quote by Abe Lincoln:

    "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."
    – U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
    (letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
    Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY)

Lets face it the bankers have taken over the country the Government is bigger than it has ever been.

John F Kennedy.

The economy **turned around** and prospered during the Kennedy administration. GDP expanded by an average of 5.5% from early 1961 to late 1963,[74]  while inflation remained steady at around 1% and unemployment began to ease;[75][76]  industrial production rose by 15% and motor vehicle sales leapt by 40%.[77]  This rate of growth in GDP and industry continued until around 1966, and has yet to be repeated for such a sustained period of time.

President Andrew Jackson had so many attempts of assassinations because of his resistance against a private central bank being set up in the US.

Kennedy pushed for the adoption of a Limited or Partial Test Ban Treaty, which prohibited atomic testing on the ground, in the atmosphere, or underwater, but did not prohibit testing underground.

He even wanted to ''CUT"' the federal reserve in half!

Do you guys even listen to your presidents?!?!? President Eisenhower:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

No one ever listened to this? Please….

[Thorn]

@Renzo:

> If I **had** to move from Canada I would probably go somewhere in Europe.
> Not England or France though, those places are meh.
> @Azkanan:
>
> > I like the french.
> >
> > When you go in/leave a shop, they say hello and goodbye with a smile. It's quite nice and they look like they mean it.
> >
> > And the women are beautiful.
>
> You and I obviously have very different tastes in women.  :lipsrsealed:
> Swiss chicks are where its at! But I wouldn't move to Switzerland either, way to strict and expensive. But that's why they are so clean and rich. :P
>
> Personally, I think I would go to Italy or Greece.  Not sure why but I just like those places.

Germany, Greece or France for me. I have tons of connections in Germany and just LOVE that place, Athens was frickin' awesome as hell, and France was just way cool. I <3 Paris.
Also, it's starting to seem like France just does shitty burgers. I had one there that was supposed to be huge, was tiny and bad. Also, about the people in Paris:

MUDDAFUCKAS LOVE THEIR BAGUETTES

They seriously were making those things just kind of appear or something. EVERYONE was eating them, and we NEVER saw anywhere to buy them. They didn't even have anything on them, they were just walking along, mowing this bigass chunk of bread.

Also, Swiss chicks > French chicks.
France did have that guy that gave me and Marsh the free jackets though, that was awesome.

[Homicidal Monkey]

>implying that big government is bad

> Also, Swiss chicks > French chicks.

gotta agree

[NullSkillVoid]

If your an unmarried male (like me) go to Switzerland for the chicks. then marry one and go somewhere warmer. ;D