Operating System

[cowin000]

Hi eclipse, i am trying to start my own software buisness and i am currently working in making an operating system from scratch. NOT LINUX. i am writing the BASIC from bianary coding, and making the rest from a starting seaquence of 3 qubed. Data acsess management of . Acd script and bianary fission of the electronic voltsos the system hardware. Basically in short im making my own computer and operating aystem like microsoft. This will be a team effort and i need the smartest people i can find ( ones who actually know what there doing and jot just some script kiddies)! To help with this project!

[aaaron]

Is it a paid project? Cause I might know someone that might wanna help.

[ToshiroHayate]

You're asking a bunch of people who use VB6 to help you make an OS? ._.

[cowin000]

Well i see there are alot of intelligent people on this site

[Drummerpete]

The only 16 year old who can make a decent OS is Stephan.

[iSKweek]

@Bob:

> The only 16 year old who can make a decent OS is Stephan.

That you know of so far. You never know, one day someone else might match up to his talent :P

Good luck though :) I tried to create an OS once (just an edit of linux so not really creating it) so I know how difficult it is :S

[cowin000]

Thanks mate. Much appreciated.

[Admiral Refuge]

Wait till Stephan gets on tomorrow, he'll probably point you in a better direction than any other users on here.

In the meantime, learn Assembly, as well as some things on bootloaders, the bios, etc.  And be sure to check out OS Dev (http://osdev.org/) as well as their forums.

[Tivoilos]

Dude good luck, you'll need Assembly, most def. I'd also have a test computer, or a virtual computer, on your computer you can get software for that.

[Godlord]

@Skweek:

> That you know of so far. You never know, one day someone else might match up to his talent :P
>
> Good luck though :) I tried to create an OS once (just an edit of linux so not really creating it) so I know how difficult it is :S

I hope that is a woman I am to be banging. But then again, if I think twice: I'd probably end up discussing several computer-related issues all the time.

@cowin:

> Hi eclipse, i am trying to start my own software buisness and i am currently working in making an operating system from scratch. NOT LINUX. i am writing the BASIC from bianary coding, and making the rest from a starting seaquence of 3 qubed. Data acsess management of . Acd script and bianary fission of the electronic voltsos the system hardware. Basically in short im making my own computer and operating aystem like microsoft. This will be a team effort and i need the smartest people i can find ( ones who actually know what there doing and jot just some script kiddies)! To help with this project!

I'm not sure what you're trying to say, except for: "I need people that want to help me with creating an operating system."

The fact that you're saying that you want to build your own computer confuses me a lot, since that either means you want to assemble one from existing hardware, or use electronics to produce your own hardware. If it is the latter, then I surely wish you much success with that, since you'd need access to the tools to do it, which most people _never_ will have.

Since you are not using the 5W1H-pattern for your thread, I'm kind of forced to ask all these questions the Socratic way, so here goes:

* What audience do you plan to target? e.g. The embedded market, the server market, the desktop market, etc.
* What would be the design for your core and why? e.g. a monolithic kernel, a microkernel, an exokernel, a hybrid kernel, etc.
* What architecture do you plan to target and why? e.g. x86, x86-64, PPC32, PPC64, SPARC32, SPARC64, MIPS32, MIPS64, ARM, etc.
* What programming language(s) do you want to use and why? e.g. Assembly, C, C++, etc.
* Is there are a certain philosophy you've set up and that you tend to follow?
* Is there a reason why your audience would be interested in your product as a whole?
* Which of the following aspects interest you the most: robustness/reliability/stability, performance, ease of use (audience-wise), ease of programming (programmers-wise), security and minimisation (e.g. size-reductive programming)?
* What are you initial goals for a specific date, let's say 2012, perhaps?
* Do you want to support existing software and/or standards? e.g. POSIX et al.

These questions of course come from personal experience in the field, and I'd like to gain some perspective on what you want to do, exactly. Hence why I ask that many questions.

@Tivoilos:

> Dude good luck, you'll need Assembly, most def. I'd also have a test computer, or a virtual computer, on your computer you can get software for that.

@Admiral:

> Wait till Stephan gets on tomorrow, he'll probably point you in a better direction than any other users on here.
>
> In the meantime, learn Assembly, as well as some things on bootloaders, the bios, etc.  And be sure to check out OS Dev (http://osdev.org/) as well as their forums.

Assembly is certainly a must, even if it is just inline Assembly. There are so many things C and other programming languages can't do themselves. What I certainly do suggest when programming an operating system is to have your platform's processor manuals at hand (e.g. Intel's manuals and AMD's manuals for the x86(-64), Motorola/IBM's for POWER, ARM's manual for ARM, Sun Microsystems'/Oracle's manuals for (Ultra)SPARC, etc.), next to your platform's firmware documentation (PC BIOS has various resources; UEFI, OpenFirmware, etc. have specifications) and a few other documents (the more, the better).

I can't give a general direction as Anthony portrayed, however. To give a few examples:

* Some processors support paging, whilst other may have no way to manage memory that securely at all or something completely exotic like x86's segmentation model.
* Some platforms, generally in the embedded market, have no firmware and will boot your boot loader directly from a ROM.
* Some processors support I/O through memory, and will only have I/O-protection if there is memory protection present, whilst other processors have an I/O-bus with its very own protection mechanism.
* Depending on the design, the protection mechanisms might be too slow to be used (e.g. Microsoft Windows and GNU/Linux don't use I/O-protection because of this very reason, whilst MINIX does use I/O-protection).

Regards,
  Stephan.