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I dont understood, you first lock this topic and after when i make part II of this topic to continue conversation this topic its open again. I will paste now my answer from other topic witch i open. http://www.touchofdeathforums.com/smf/index.php/topic,53317.0.html @Pete!: > My point is, they are both taking things to the extreme. Lots of people care about different things, make a well rounded game that EVERYONE WILL LOVE. With zombie unicorns. Don't mix me with Godlord. I all the time talk everybody like different things example talking about Baldurs Gate vs Mario Bros, and my friend who dont touch games with "magic", example i like magic in games. @Godlord: > [Cynicism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynicism), [Irony](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony) and [Metonymy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy), where you should really read the latter. 1) Not everybody need wikipedia to know those world. 2) If you are using irony often you are mocker and tese, that person should not be a forum moderator. > The point is, that they aren't. Check the list of most selling games in the world and you will see they should be very rich, people are buying those games because those are good games. On the first place its EA Games who you hate because capitalism, you are funny with this capitalism thing. They have marketing specialist for strike to the most people. They dont carry about one Godlord from Eclipse forum, that sad for you but its true. > Please take your time and learn to read things carefully. I stated that advertisements are the most popular, not that they're the most watched. 1) Thats is saying person who say before im tell chess is realistic game. 2) Go to your wikipedia or dictionary and read definition of "popular" and "most watched". Now compare differences. > Corporations don't produce games that the majority of people like, they only produce games "good" enough to be sold, all they really care about is money. Like I said before, this universe is ruled by capitalism. But you might have skipped that, as you lack reading skills. They are produce games for majority because this is marketing, they are big corporations and dont make games like Eclipse users "oh, now i will make maybe pokemon game". They analyse market. I dont know why you put "good" in "". If they are sold they are realy good, but you have learned new word in school "capitalism" and you are abusing it in your every post. And you are even dare to say i skip it. You are just funny guy. > Like I said, go play some real games. Download Monkey Island, Castlevania or something similar to begin with. Then you'll see why stories are actually important. Read one more time where i compare Baldurs gate and mario bros. > The difference between Eclipse and all the Korean companies is that Eclipse is a hobbyist forum revolving around the creation of ORPG's and not MMORPG's, where as most Korean companies usually create MMORPG's, eventually copied and/or (partially) commercial. So what the difference? This is no difference ORPG and MMORPG have the same rules, the same template - we also copying shape of other mmorpg's. I say even more: Korean companies doing this much better and professional. WoW its also copy ideas from other games so why its the one of best selling game ever? I bet many eclipse users want to make game as WoW, but they just cant. You are on game type forum what you hates i dont understood that. Or you are just hipocrite. > I'm absurd? Several people saw this topic and they all agreed with me, that's quite odd, isn't it? Who agreed with you? I want to see those people now and read arguments. And why i dont see those people in this topic?

Its a continuation of topic "Your Game", because Godlord has closed topic with irrational reason - only because im not using proper gramar. I think its ok enough to understood so i will continue. @Pete!: > My point is, they are both taking things to the extreme. Lots of people care about different things, make a well rounded game that EVERYONE WILL LOVE. With zombie unicorns. Don't mix me with Godlord. I all the time talk everybody like different things example talking about Baldurs Gate vs Mario Bros, and my friend who dont touch games with "magic", example i like magic in games. @Godlord: > [Cynicism](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynicism), [Irony](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony) and [Metonymy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy), where you should really read the latter. 1) Not everybody need wikipedia to know those world. 2) If you are using irony often you are mocker and tese, that person should not be a forum moderator. > The point is, that they aren't. Check the list of most selling games in the world and you will see they should be very rich, people are buying those games because those are good games. On the first place its EA Games who you hate because capitalism, you are funny with this capitalism thing. They have marketing specialist for strike to the most people. They dont carry about one Godlord from Eclipse forum, that sad for you but its true. > Please take your time and learn to read things carefully. I stated that advertisements are the most popular, not that they're the most watched. 1) Thats is saying person who say before im tell chess is realistic game. 2) Go to your wikipedia or dictionary and read definition of "popular" and "most watched". Now compare differences. > Corporations don't produce games that the majority of people like, they only produce games "good" enough to be sold, all they really care about is money. Like I said before, this universe is ruled by capitalism. But you might have skipped that, as you lack reading skills. They are produce games for majority because this is marketing, they are big corporations and dont make games like Eclipse users "oh, now i will make maybe pokemon game". They analyse market. I dont know why you put "good" in "". If they are sold they are realy good, but you have learned new word in school "capitalism" and you are abusing it in your every post. And you are even dare to say i skip it. You are just funny guy. > Like I said, go play some real games. Download Monkey Island, Castlevania or something similar to begin with. Then you'll see why stories are actually important. Read one more time where i compare Baldurs gate and mario bros. > The difference between Eclipse and all the Korean companies is that Eclipse is a hobbyist forum revolving around the creation of ORPG's and not MMORPG's, where as most Korean companies usually create MMORPG's, eventually copied and/or (partially) commercial. So what the difference? This is no difference ORPG and MMORPG have the same rules, the same template - we also copying shape of other mmorpg's. I say even more: Korean companies doing this much better and professional. WoW its also copy ideas from other games so why its the one of best selling game ever? I bet many eclipse users want to make game as WoW, but they just cant. You are on game type forum what you hates i dont understood that. Or you are just hipocrite. > I'm absurd? Several people saw this topic and they all agreed with me, that's quite odd, isn't it? Who agreed with you? I want to see those people now and read arguments. And why i dont see those people in this (previous) topic?

@Godlord: > maybe you should open your eyes and see that the USSR has already died and that all the communism has already failed. You realy live in other universe. I want talk about games and you are talking about USSR. @Godlord: > but you, who thinks he knows everything better, fails to see that there's a difference between getting money for a living and getting money just to be rich I dont have problem with that. If they are making good games there are selling much and they have money. Its natural if you think they games are not good for you then you can qoute Azure "If everyone else is the problem then it is really you who is." @Godlord: > Even though the most popular thing on everybody's television are the advertisements. Thats nice for you if you are watching TV for ad's. You are perfect consumer then. Usualy people watching movies and news. @Godlord: > I think you're the only one here considering that a problem. Especially since I'm talking for a lot of other people who actually played good games in their life and not for the people who only play those capitalistic games. Thats why i call you narrow-minded. Everything its relative, but not for you. For some of your friends your games can be good, for other people this same game can be shit and its hard to understood it for you i think. Corporations produce games who its best for majority. If they are not producing games what you like then just you have problem. BTW… Can you tell witch one are "capitalistics" games and witch one are not? > Programming is not the only aspect of a game. If course not, but its most important. And im suprised that im on (a little) programing forum with you and you dont realise that. > I don't think you've ever played games haha, sure im not. You dont understood people like sometimes just sit, kill some monsters and after go for dinner. They are dont care about storys. You are trying to make big pseudo-philosophy from games witch they are not. Of course there are stories important in some king of games like Baldurs Gate (its good example). This is the main sense of game then. But in most games this is not important… Who cares about story of Mario bros? You just want to get to the next level thats why its playble. > Thanks, now I see that I'm wasting my time by arguing with someone who doesn't know what a true game is. MMORPG's are one of the three types of games which are being copied over and over again. Ok i see that for you if game its simillar to other game then its "capitalism game" and other bad stuff? So… i have a different opinion. I think mmorpg are the one of best games for me and MMORPG its the best idea of new-age games. I dont care rules are simillar, they are just good. If i enjoy playing it i like it its simple. > This is one of the type of games I don't even consider playing due to the fact that if you played a MMORPG once, that you actually have played them all or well all the generic ones. If you play alot in mmorpg you know, there are some innovations in any of them (excluding eclipse games). They are not big and they are not revolutions but i can appreciate some of them. You are on mmorpg creators forum and you despise them? Thats strange paradox for me. All paper RPG games are also the same for you? > Definition of generic (Thanks to Pete). Very nice link. Animators make it specially its a like "easter-eggs" i saw simmilar with pixar movies when some 3d objects are duplicated and putted in different movies. > How about you opening your eyes first? So that you can at least check your spelling and grammar before even trying to insult me. Open my eyes for what? For your absurdity? Dont try to using my statements because it have no sense in your post. You can hide behind my not proper English i think its your only chance to survive this discussion.

@Godlord: > Different tastes? Go tell that to the commercial game industry. It looks like they only produce games for one kind of taste and forget about the others. I see plenty of non realistic and realistic games. Maybe you are living in different universe? Besides: time has changed because capitalism? what are you talking about men? Creating games was always commercial. > If people really liked realism, everybody would only watch a few things: documentaries, real-life films, the news and the weather. Maybe thats why news is most popular in tv? Your problem is you have only one side of view. You say "everybody would **only** watch" - its very narrow-minded. > Coding does not make a game, it only provides the base of the game. Without a story it would just be a sandbox and this is why all the Tycoon games get boring at some point. Without music, we usually get bored too. The point is that each aspect in a game is important. Coding ITS a GAME. Because in code are rules of game. Story its most non intresting thing in game. People playing much games and dont even read/know what the story is. I know people who even are not watching story-movies before games because they just want to play - not watch. Music in games? Sometimes its ok, but when i play example mmorpg games i everytime turn off music and play foobar - i have better music in mp3 so its also not so important. > And how is chess realistic? Are you asking me? Where i say it is? Open your eyes and try sometimes see things in broad spectrum. Because your thinking its very limited for me.

@Azure: > Phexion- Chess is a game of whit and a board game at that. it is not a video game by any means of comparison; however, I play chess and it has the just as many intricacies as any video game. The difference is the human factor. Its also computer game. Many people play chess in computer / mobile so its counting.

@Azure: > You hand me a game without gfx, music, effects, story, or even decent game design and I'll hand you a textbook. That is not gaming and never will be. Chess don't need all this stuff and its one of the perfect game in the world. What more prove you want?

@Azure: > Phexion- No I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that both are equally important, as well as sound effects, music, general development, and story. Coding will never be "the most important" because without the balance and art of the other parts it would be just the lines of coding and nothing more. And this is wrong thinking. Coding and playble > gfx, sfx, story etc. Example for me will be Crysis: warhead i was playing fev minuts in this game i enjoy it but it is just another game for me. Now im playing "Prototype" it have worse gfx, sfx but its just more playble. Godlord - You are making a mistake also. There are different tastes in the world. Much persons like realism in games. I have a friend who example will never play in game with "magic". He like only real games. Games like Dune was good in their times. Now times are change, today not much people will like Dune II if they have alot other good RTS games like example StarCraft, DoW2 etc.

@Azure: > By that logic why are you even here? If the engine makes the game and that alone is what makes a game great, why are you on this forum at all? Because i think eclipse its good base for your own engine. Im learned very much from eclipse code, i didnt buy books, reading tutorials too much. I just read source code and modify it. Besides that… i dont have the same opinion like topic creator if you using somone other graphics it cant be your game. If you dont see irony in my post its your problem. @Azure: > Graphics are a very important part of gaming if they weren't we'd still be playing with colored pixels instead of the 3D textured, lighted, and modeled environments we do now. You and topic creator says like graphics its the most important thing in game… Its not. Most important its coding, but [SB] Tdogthedog has made your own graphic and he think now its uber game creator. Its just funny for me. @Azure: > nothing is ever 100% yours even if you copyright and trademark it. Thats nonsens… @[Nitrus: > Ninja-Tech link=topic=53225.msg564485#msg564485 date=1256563167] > If you think the topic is lame then don't post here I will do what i want. You have problem with this?

@[SB: > Tdogthedog link=topic=53225.msg563912#msg563912 date=1256443326] > I'm bored so i made this topic XD ok here it goes… > > You here people talk about "oh i'm making my own game and its so cool!" but can you really consider it "your game" if you use the basic tilesheets and everything that comes with eclipse? I myself make my own custom tilesheets and they are 100% mine. Even my game is 98% mine i used the 2 basic sprites so.. but other then that its all me... so what do you guys think? I can say the same for your game, because you are using eclipse engine. You dont create this engine so this is not your game. I think engine its more important than graphic. @Greendude120: > This topic is lame. i agree.

It have very nice tilesets and maps. This will be nice game. We wait for official premiere now!

It have very nice tilesets and maps. This will be nice game. We wait for official premiere now!

Ugly, for me. You look like woman or like gay with this.

Ugly, for me. You look like woman or like gay with this.

Go to Maps/ folder and make a copy of map what you want (ctrl+c, ctrl+v). Rename it for number what you want.

Go to Maps/ folder and make a copy of map what you want (ctrl+c, ctrl+v). Rename it for number what you want.

for 30 people if you have not so much put and getvars it will be microseconds, but if you will be have more players and more loops with writeini then you can have lags. When you are coding you can make it just work (like writeini) or you can make it work and optimize. You choose. IMO this is just wrong coding.

> If I get it correct, you say we are back to level 1 when server crashes? Don't be infantile… of course back to last server save... > … 2000 bytes, this might sound low, but what if you make everything that way? INI files do they time at that moment, but if you make it like this entirely, you can easily run the server for months before memory is filled. It is everything in eclipse made in that way! Everything its in memory and after some time its saved to ini files. Look on saving accounts in eclipse. Its the best method. If things will be in that way what you saying server will be incredible slow. Thats why in eclipse saving accounts to inis are in time dalays - beacuse in your way it will be slow as hell. This will be funny if you want to make server full of ini putvar and getvar. I would like to see this and see red light shining from hard drive 24h/7d as it writing and loading data all the time with "incredible speed".

@Shadowwulfâ„¢: > … > I am using 2.8(vet version) Eclipse version have nothing to this. @Shadowwulfâ„¢: > Some of your points are null&void! :) Witch one?

First - we are taking about server memory, not client :) 2nd - PC will be not lag. More lag will be from getvar and putvar because hard disk are slower than computer memory. 3rd - it will not take much memory because it shoud be only one byte value in player account rec. 4 - if server crash then all data will be lost even experience, but this is the system of eclipse saving accounts. IT will be funny when you are loosing example exp, lvl etc, but you have still poison effect on youself.

I think also taking dmg from .ini file and after that save it its a bad idea. Server will be much faster you will get it from memory.

Ok, thats great:)

Dont use timers… better way its TickCount. To make it make declaration od new variable on the top. Write bottom this: ``` Public GiveHPTimer As Long Public GiveMPTimer As Long Public GiveSPTimer As Long Public GiveNPCHPTimer As Long Public Timer10s As Long ``` after that go to this place what you qouted: ``` If MapNPC(y, x).num > 0 Then If TickCount > GiveNPCHPTimer + 10000 Then If MapNPC(y, x).HP > 0 Then MapNPC(y, x).HP = MapNPC(y, x).HP + GetNpcHPRegen(NpcNum) ' Check if they have more then they should and if so just set it to max If MapNPC(y, x).HP > GetNPCMaxHP(NpcNum) Then MapNPC(y, x).HP = GetNPCMaxHP(NpcNum) End If End If End If 'write this: If GetTickCount > Timer10s + 10000 Then 'here will be your 10second loop: End If End If ``` and last thing what you must do find that: > ' Make sure we reset the timer for npc hp regeneration > If GetTickCount > GiveNPCHPTimer + 10000 Then > GiveNPCHPTimer = GetTickCount > End If and add bottom this like that: > ' reset 10s timer: > If GetTickCount > Timer10s + 10000 Then > Timer10s = GetTickCount > End If And thats all. Now you can place everything you want in this field what i marked "here will be your 10second loop". Hope you will make it.

call playermsg(index, GetPlayerName(index) & " wants to trade you", 10)

When you compiling open Eclipse.vbp not fmrMainMenu

Its no too good. It causing lags because timing of packet are different. So people have wrong coordinates in your client on the maps. You can incrase ms value but this will be no antispeedhack then.