and why is this stupid? in vb.net you need to know how to code… but in the end, you dont need other software an you have a clean an small programm... in scratch, you dont nee know-how... just logik...but in the end, it is compiled, translated an you depend on the "functions" that someone integrated in scratch...also your programm gets bigger and bigger for the same as in vb.net Sure its easyer, but i think i will stay in vb.net possible that i do a mistake, but i have fun :)